Welcome to Week Ten. More details below, but the quick version is that this is a three-event week, with Indycar in St Petersburg, F1 in Malaysia and NASCAR at Fontana, so please pick ten drivers (no more than seven from one event) in a comment on this post before 6 AM GMT Friday 23rd March (1 AM ET) (essentially late Thursday night).
General
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Scores
Results – Top Tens
| WEC/ALMS | F1 | NASCAR | |||
| Sebring | Melbourne | Bristol | |||
| 1 | #2 Audi | Button | Keselowski | ||
| 2 | #3 Audi | Vettel | Kenseth | ||
| 3 | #44 Starworks | Hamilton | Truxex | ||
| 4 | #055 Level 5 | Webber | Bowyer | ||
| 5 | #24 OAK | Alonso | Vickers | ||
| 6 | #16 Pescarola | Kobayashi | Burton | ||
| 7 | #49 Pecom | Räikkönen | McMurray | ||
| 8 | #016 Dyson | Perez | Montoya | ||
| 9 | #41 Greaves | Ricciardo | Johnson | ||
| 10 | #21 Strakka | di Resta | Menard |
Having missed the race, I am not sure how the LMP2 cars did so well at Sebring. The #1 Audi had recurring electrical problems (16th). The #22 JRM HPD was delayed by a puncture (17th). Muscle Milk were on course for third but were unable to re-fuel the car with a fuel-rig problem (28th). The #12 Rebellion also looked strong for a podium, until within the last two hours damage to the left-front caused the car to stop out on the track (32nd).
I thought it was an exciting Australian GP, suggesting a more open season than last year. A bad day for Mercedes, with Schumacher losing all drive early on (20th), and Rosberg falling back to 12th after making contact with Perez on the last lap.
Ouch, Bristol is often one of Sprint Cup’s most predictable events. Biffle finished 13th. Kasey Kahne’s early spin triggered a few cars colliding, including Kyle Busch (32nd) and Carl Edwards (39th).
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Non-entries get 223 according to the 90% rule.
Congratulations aplenty to RubberGoat; his second consecutive win and third of the season. Well done to Maverick who did easily the best out of NASCAR, and also to Pat and Chris for 300-plus scores.
We all had the Sebring winner plus the top-two at Melbourne. The topsy-turvy fates of the petrol-LMP1 cars at Sebring, along with two of the Bristol favourites, Kyle Busch and Edwards, being both caught out by the same crash, effected almost all of us.
Leaderboard
| Pos | Pre | +/- | Name | Prior | Wk 9 | Total | Differences | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 3 | +2 | RubberGoat | 1144 | 335 | 1479 | 0 | - |
| 2 | 2 | Pat W. | 1164 | 311 | 1475 | 4 | 4 | |
| 3 | 1 | -2 | Jackie | 1169 | 279 | 1448 | 31 | 27 |
| 4 | 5 | +1 | Chris W. | 1139 | 308 | 1447 | 32 | 1 |
| 5 | 4 | -1 | Sebastian | 1139 | 287 | 1426 | 53 | 21 |
| 6 | 6 | Drewe | 1107 | 287 | 1394 | 85 | 32 | |
| 7 | 10 | +3 | Maverick | 997 | 322 | 1319 | 160 | 75 |
| 8 | 8 | The Speedgeek | 1016 | 290 | 1306 | 173 | 13 | |
| 9 | 11 | +2 | iomracer | 985 | 308 | 1293 | 186 | 13 |
| 10 | 7 | -3 | Ryan | 1039 | 248 | 1287 | 192 | 6 |
| 11 | 9 | -2 | Matt | 1002 | 253 | 1255 | 224 | 32 |
| 12 | 12 | Jay | 886 | 223 | 1109 | 370 | 146 | |
| 13 | 13 | James | 817 | 223 | 1040 | 439 | 69 | |
| 14 | 14 | New players | 798 | 223 | 1021 | 458 | 19 | |
Two consecutive wins has RubberGoat vault two places to become as our new leader (well done, sir), by a slim four points over Patrick. Jackie falls back two slots after a difficult week. Chris over-takes myself for fourth-place. Maverick’s strong week sees him gain three places. iomracer gains two places. Ryan and Matt lose places, both after two unlucky weeks in a row.
This Week
Roster
· Formula One – Kuala Lumpa, Malaysia
· Indycar – St Petersburg
· NASCAR – Fontana
The deadline is 6 AM GMT Friday 23rd March (1 AM hours ET). Beware that the deadline is very early on Friday so treat it as late Thursday night. Also be aware that the countdown widget rounds up on days.
Pick ten drivers to a maximum of seven in any one event.
The points system is
50-40-35-32-30-28-26-24-22-20-19-18-17-16-15-14-13-12-11-10-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-2-2-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1.
Guide
The Formula One circus moves to Malaysia. It will be hot and may rain very heavily. After Australia, McLaren and Red Bull look strongest, but behind that all but the ‘new’ teams look in with a shout.
St Petersburg is a sreet-circuit. All the teams are running the new Dallara DW12. For the first time in many years there will be engine-competition, between Honda, Chevolet (Ilmor), and Lotus (Judd). If you do not feel up to speed on Indycar for this year, there is a lot of useful information on the Wikipedia page for the 2012 season. It will be interesting to see how Barrichello does with KV, a solid team. It is quite a shock to see that Newman/Haas have shut their doors, so rising star, Oriol Servià, has joined Dreyer & Reinbold, a Lotus-engined team.
Also worth a look are the times for the group-tests at Sebring. The field was split in half with two days each, and I link below to the Autosport reports for the second days for both groups. Penske and the Ganassi A-team (Franchitti/Dixon) look strong. Lotus look to be behind with their engine. I suspect the bigger-budget teams will have the engineering depth to get to grips with the new chassis quicker than others, and that engine failures will happen more frequently than recent seasons.
Fontana is a two-mile oval, and I assume will be a typical NASCAR event in that picking top-ten finishers with confidence will be difficult. The rule of thumb with NASCAR is longer ovals are less predictable.
It is the usual advice of after picking what suggest themselves as the more obvious choices, that the ten might be filled out with those considered most trustworthy to get top-ten finishes, although with so many teams in F1 looking closely competitive plus some danger of rain, a new generation of cars and engines in Indycar, plus NASCAR being NASCAR, easier said than done.
The points-system for TMRG is based approximately on that for Indycar, which makes that series’ standing more useful for reference. It is well to be aware that some drivers do better on ovals and some on non-ovals. Annoyingly, it no longer seems possible to click over on last year’s standings-page to view separately oval and non-oval results, but last season Franchitti won the main title, with Power winning the road-course title and Dixon winning the oval title.
Formula One links:
2011 Championship points-table
2012 Australia Result
2011 Malaysia Result
2010 Malaysia Result
2009 Malaysia Result
Indycar links:
Entry List (PDF – from More Front Wing site)
2012 Indycar Wikipedia page
Summary of 2011 Indycar road/street results (No longer available)
2011 Standings (You can click on buttons to view road and oval standings separately now. Might be worth making a copy of that information just in case it disappears after this first race.)
2011 St Petersburg Result*
2010 St Petersburg Result*
2009 St Petersburg Result*
(*Following the overnight launch of the new Indycar site, previous links were rendered broken, and I have replaced them with Wikipedia links. Scroll down to the race-result. Beware that the qualification result may be above that, so do not mistake that for the main result, as I have done myself in the past.)
Recent Sebring test Autosport report group one
Recent Sebring test Autosport report group two
NASCAR links:
Entry List (Page usually turns up by Tuesday.)
2011 Fontana Result
2010 Fontana Result (second visit)
2010 Fontana Result (first visit)
2011 Championship points-table without Chase
2011 Championship points-table
2012 Championship points-table
Driver stats page (Tony Stewart) (Use the ‘SELECT DRIVER’ menu towards the top-right to reach the other driver-pages (or click on their name in non-Chase points-table).)

Congratulations Gavin on a well deserved win.
I didn’t do as badly as I feared (I hate the sports car picks). I have absolutely no clue what I’m looking for and tend to pick by drivers names I know rather than on how that car has done in the past. Maybe that means I should start looking at stats before chosing my 10 if I want decent points but I fear that taking to the books might spoil my enjoyment of the game.
This will be another difficult week for me, especially as there is little scope to score more highly in F1 picks than others because we are all so knowledgeable of the field but I feel I am getting better. Onwards and upwards!
Comment by Jackie — March 19, 2012 @ 6:19 pm
Having avoided all the sports car traps, that’ll teach me not to give Webber the benefit of the doubt.
Malaysia looks it could be very, very wet at the moment – this could be a very interesting week. Will leave it as late as possible to get a better handle on that forecast but at the moment, not that confident about going F1 heavy even if the alternative is NASCAR and an uncertain IndyCar field.
Comment by maverickpf — March 19, 2012 @ 6:36 pm
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Comment by maverickpf — March 19, 2012 @ 6:38 pm
Even rain aside, behind Red Bull and McLaren, it looks like Ferrari, Lotus, Mercedes, Sauber, Torro Rosso, Williams, Force India all have top-ten shouts. I expected more of Caterham. They were still about two seconds off the teams in front, although Melbourne can be misleading.
Comment by Sebastian X — March 19, 2012 @ 7:03 pm
“Even rain aside, behind Red Bull and McLaren, it looks like Ferrari, Lotus, Mercedes, Sauber, Torro Rosso, Williams, Force India all have top-ten shouts.”
If they can stay on the track.
Comment by maverickpf — March 19, 2012 @ 7:37 pm
What are the red-flagged race game rules by the way, half or full points if the FIA only award half points for a race?
Comment by maverickpf — March 19, 2012 @ 7:43 pm
As long as a result is declared, then full TMRG points. After all, drivers that go off at the first corner still count for full TMRG points for whatever position that gives them, even though in some series they would not be classified. Therefore TMRG-points generally ignore official series guidelines on how distance completed effects results.
The exception is races run to Le Mans rules. They exclude cars not running at the end from the results even if they have covered more distance than some (or all) cars still running. I disaprove, but this year have decided to follow that, as Pat and I found it difficult to remember and apply last year when it was decided to do it on distance, and someone might be miffed if officially their choice finished perhaps third but was reduced to lower.
I believe this may apply to WEC events, but not ALMS events. I have failed to find an official result for Sebring on either the Le Mans or ALMS sites. I now wonder if this is because they may not agree on which rules to apply; maybe not. Was the Muscle Milk car running at the end? Anyway, I think I will take a head-in-the-sand approach to that, and stick to the results I did find whatever.
Comment by Sebastian X — March 19, 2012 @ 9:26 pm
Actually, the rules are not very clear about following ACO classifications, but the introduction-post makes that policy clear. I might amend the rules later to clarify that.
Comment by Sebastian X — March 19, 2012 @ 9:33 pm
Tough week again
With the new Dallara’s in Indy, that won’t help a lot either. Oh well, get the dice out…
Congrats to those that did well – it’s tough to get a good result right now!
Comment by Drewe — March 19, 2012 @ 11:29 pm
Thanks guys, I got a bit lucky with the F1 I think.
No NASCAR again, so here’s my picks:
F1:
1. Button
2. Hamilton
3. Vettel
4. Webber
5. Alonso
6. Rosberg
7. Raikkonen
I’m picking these guys based on pace in Australia as it’s a bit of a lottery with the rain in Malaysia.
IndyCar:
8. Franchitti
9. Dixon
10. Power
I’m picking these guys based on their previous form and the fact that they are in the big teams (who have more resources to develop the car).
Comment by rubbergoat — March 20, 2012 @ 1:37 pm
Now having had the chance to look at the driver stats for Fontana, it looks like one of NASCAR’s more predictable tracks, but bear in mind I said that last week about Bristol.
Jimmie Johnson has had his Daytona 25-point penalty rescinded, so the seven players effected will have their TMRG-point back by next week.
Comment by Sebastian X — March 20, 2012 @ 9:46 pm
Formula One:
Sebastian Vettel
Mark Webber
Lewis Hamilton
Jenson Button
Kimi Räikkönen
Indycar:
Will Power
Dario Franchitti
Ryan Briscoe
Rubens Barrichello
NASCAR:
Jimmie Johnson
Again, I find myself making an unforced NASCAR choice, but the Auto Club (Fontana) speedway is fairly flat which makes it more a drivers’ circuit, and there is so much uncertainy elsewhere. I feel Rubens might be helped by everyone else being as unfamiliar with the new cars as he is.
Comment by Sebastian X — March 20, 2012 @ 11:44 pm
If I were to be asked now I would award half-points for red flags, but checking past scoresheets for both TMRG and ARFL that doesn’t match the precedent, which is to award full points. The exception is for races abandoned very early which were not scored (e.g. Las Vegas IndyCar last year).
LM-rules sportscar races have always been debatable and I don’t think there is a right answer as long as the ACO insists upon the ‘finish at the flag’ rule. I still think an endurance race should be about completing the most laps of anyone, not parking for a few hours and wheeling out a shiny car at the end. I can see why they did it though – under my preferred rule it would be possible for cars with a huge lead to DNF in the last hour with not enough time for chasing cars to beat the lap total, meaning the winner of the race wouldn’t take the chequered flag which wouldn’t look very good in the newspapers the following day!
This should be a good week: Potential rain at Sepang and a mixed up order with possibly unreliable cars at St Pete. This game requires unpredictability else it’ll be boring.
Comment by Pat W — March 20, 2012 @ 11:51 pm
It is still zero points for such as LV last season. I agree there are arguments both ways on ACO rules, and remember myself in the past supporting doing it on distance instead as was done last year. What put me off partially was that we had to consider cars no one had picked, with one race when we both mentioned having to re-add the scores because it occured to us late to check if any retired cars effected the distance-results.
Comment by Sebastian X — March 21, 2012 @ 1:37 am
Ooh… Malaysia could be a doozy if it’s wet. Schumacher has always been a wet-weather star and he may now have the car to do something with that talent. Presumably somebody is going to crash out but no telling who. Button is also a dynamo with the variable weather (not necessarily strictly wet) so we’ll have to see.
And St Pete… ohmeohmy. No telling who is going to do well with the new car. The only real assumption we can make is that the Lotus powered teams may struggle with reliability.
Mmkay… preliminary picks:
F1:
Vettel
Webber
Button
Hamilton
Schumacher
Raikkonen
Indycar:
Franchitti
Dixon
Power
Kanaan (I know… Lotus engine. My left brain is shouting down my right).
Fingers crossed.
Comment by Chris W — March 21, 2012 @ 3:57 pm
Very quick pick in case I miss this week entirely.
F1
Button
Hamilton
Webber
Vettel
Raikkonen
Alonso
Indycar
Franchitti
Power
Rubens
NASCAR
Biffle
Comment by Jackie — March 21, 2012 @ 7:30 pm
Chris: Kanaan has a Chevy this year.
Comment by Pat W — March 21, 2012 @ 7:38 pm
Is that so… it’s no longer KVRT-Lotus?
Comment by Chris W — March 21, 2012 @ 7:42 pm
F1
Button
Hamilton
Vettel
Webber
Alonso
IndyCar
Power
Franchitti
Dixon
Castroneves
Hunter-Reay
Comment by Pat W — March 21, 2012 @ 7:42 pm
Lotus was only ever a sponsorship and KVRT realised which way the wind was blowing with the engines for this season. IndyCar.com is in the midst of a redesign and they haven’t got around to doing an entry list but you can find one in the Event Summary at http://www.morefrontwing.com
Comment by Pat W — March 21, 2012 @ 7:52 pm
A minor change of plan. I forgot Briscoe existed and I’m sure he’ll do better than Helio at this one (watch as Helio now wins it).
F1
Button
Hamilton
Vettel
Webber
Alonso
IndyCar
Power
Franchitti
Dixon
Briscoe
Hunter-Reay
Comment by Pat W — March 21, 2012 @ 7:55 pm
Tough picks. I am hoping that this years indycar has something (i’ve been struggling with it for a while – it was good in the last few years of Champ Car (but in decline), but I haven’t seen much worth watching with those old cars. Oh well, here we try again). Hopefully we don’t get late storms in Malaysia and get a 4 hour telecast for half a race!
F1
Button
Hamilton
Alonso
Raikkonen
Schumacher
Rosberg
Indycar
Power
Franchitti
Nascar
Johnson
Edwards
I went for 2 NASCAR – unpredictable as it is, but I think indy is more of an unknown this weekend! I wanted to vote for the other Aussie Briscoe too, but he has a yoyo reputation sometimes. Who knows
Comment by Drewe — March 21, 2012 @ 9:54 pm
Thanks Pat for the entry-list info.
Comment by Sebastian X — March 21, 2012 @ 11:33 pm
Huh, I was like 3rd two weeks ago.
F1:
Lewis Hamilton
Jenson Button
Seb Vettel
Mark Webber
Kimi Raikkonen
Romain Grosjean
Michael Schumacher
IndyCar:
Ryan Hunter-Reay
Dario Franchitti
Comment by Ryan — March 22, 2012 @ 4:43 pm
The Indycar web-site re-design has been launched, causing many of the links I provided to fail. Sorry if that caused inconvenience. I have now updated them.
Comment by Sebastian X — March 22, 2012 @ 5:16 pm
I’m starting to think I’m contributing to my own downfall now. I’ll also add Scott Dixon to the list.
Cheers Sebastian for telling me.
Comment by Ryan — March 22, 2012 @ 5:30 pm
Makes sense that endurance racing is judged the way it is, really – after all, it’s the Le Mans 24 Hours, not the Le Mans 23 and Half Hours But We Did More Laps
Comment by maverickpf — March 22, 2012 @ 7:47 pm
Switching it up a smidge…
F1:
Vettel
Webber
Button
Hamilton
Alonso
Raikkonen
Schumacher
Indycar:
Franchitti
Dixon
Castroneves
Comment by Chris W — March 22, 2012 @ 9:01 pm
F1
Button
Hamilton
Vettel
Webber
Raikkonen
Alonso
IndyCar
Power
Franchitti
Dixon
NASCAR
Harvick
Go on, I’ll stick a NASCAR pick in – it’s more fun that way
Comment by maverickpf — March 22, 2012 @ 11:28 pm
Better last than never (hopefully)…
Button
Hamilton
Vettel
Webber
Alonso
Dixon
Power
Franchitti
Barrichello
Jimmie Johnson
Comment by iomracer — March 23, 2012 @ 2:38 am
F1:
Sebastian Vettel
Mark Webber
Lewis Hamilton
Jenson Button
Nico Rosberg
IndyCar:
Will Power
Dario Franchitti
Graham Rahal
Ryan Hunter-Reay
Scott Dixon
Comment by The Speedgeek — March 23, 2012 @ 2:46 am
F1
Vettel
Hamilton
Button
Rosberg
Raikkonen
IndyCar
Castroneves
Power
Hunter-Reay
Briscoe
NASCAR
Biffle
Comment by Matt — March 23, 2012 @ 3:58 am